hey Bevin!

hey chillenious

I presume you read http://weblogs.java.net/blog/edburns/archive/2007/03/prejcpfiled_dra_1.html?

will you join the JCP?

:)

chillenious: just got the mail from Ed about it

chillenious: I'm in the JCP already, just not sure I'll join that JSR

yeah, how's that other one working out? haven't really followed it

chillenious: the bean validation one or the continuations one?

chillenious eyes jottinger 'hmmm, we may want to be careful what we say here, having the TSS chief looking over our shoulders'

continuations

what's the bean validation one?

chillenious: continuations JSR, I don't really know where to go with it, seems a lot of people are strongly against it

chillenious: notably at sun

really? why is that (if you want to share)

imo the facility is nice to have

I don't have an opinion about the implementation as I simply don't know enough about it. but the concept of continuations is nice imo

chillenious: as always they think it's too complex for the average developer and that the tech is "too young" (even though continuations have existed for more than 20 years)

heh

well *someone* accepted generics over there

chillenious: +1 :-)

o well, I bet there's lots of politics involved too

chillenious: http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=303

unavoidable probably

chillenious: yeah, been very busy with those politics

heh, even Matt Raible?

we've had some offline talk about syncing validation mechanisms with some struts guys, but never really went on

I read about this one yeah, though again I haven't looked at the specifics

chillenious: I'm now first releasing RIFE 1.6 with a a dedicated rife continuations jar, fleshen it out for integration with other usage domains and get some API stabilized, then I'll yank the politics chain again and maybe submit it

I hope I'm not insulting anyone, but something like Commons Validator imo is just plain horrible

yeah

chillenious: I think they're collectively going into the wrong direction with that 303 JSR

those Jetty guys (Greg?) are supportive for continuations, right?

chillenious: tying it all to annotations

chillenious: yeah

ugh

annotations the new xml

why not just a simple stupid api?

couple of classes

I know I know

and later decide to maybe put some annotations sauce on it

anyway, I should first read up before having an opinion :)

dont know whether I asked you this before, but did you have plans to go to the apache con early may in Amsterdam?

chillenious: probably not

chillenious: too much traveling as it is already

I bet :)

good opportunity for me to go back to holland for a few days

chillenious: so what do you think of this JSF 2.0 JSR, are you gonna join?

and actually after the conference I'm traveling to Belgium and than France (Paris) with Kay (my girlfirend)

chillenious: my initial feeling is that it'll take up a lot of time to maybe influence a couple of minor things of an approach that I don't like from the ground up

chillenious: so it's really like throwing away effort that could be much more beneficial for other stuff

chillenious: oww, cool!

chillenious: btw http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2007/3/29/im_joining_terracotta

If you didn't see it yet

no, I don't think I'll join. I just don't think it's gonna be good. One of the things that makes me doubt is that this would be an opportunity where I could do my part/ idea of damage control. But I'd be very afraid this would be the worst kind of compromised design imaginable

I'll think for a day or two about a proper reply

w00t!

kuddos Bevin and Terracotta

chillenious: yeah, I'm feeling exactly like that

chillenious: thanks :-)

fantastic

chillenious: very excited about it :-)

we (at my day job, Teachscape) are still too busy with daily bug fixing and stuff, but we have time reserved to finally checking out Terracotta. It's almost certain we want to use it for our production system

chillenious: sounds good :-)

it's very liberating to be able to cluster very specific things without having to worry whether they are touched by the session or not

but it's a bit of a shift in thinking

Matej currently has the issue to set things up assigned

he's working for us for a few months

Matej == Wicket dev fyi

chillenious: cool :-)

chillenious: I was dumbstruck to see Terracotta working with continuations after we did the integration work

Terracotta does a fantastic job so far ramping up the docs and site with automatic builds and stuff

chillenious: it's really mind boggling :-)